Andy Stanley interviewed Rick Warren in this session.

AS: Talk a little about what you have learned about pacing.

RW:

• had my mid life crisis at 25.
• 1st year of Saddleback . . . was working 18-20 hours a day.
• "I am addicted to changed lives."
• You can't win your enemies to Christ . . .just your friends.
• grew up in a town of less than 500 people.

During that year of burn out .  . . God taught me a ton.

• Out of Joshua . . .I will drive the giants out little by little . . .pacing.
• Churches the explode over night are not "healthy" churches . . .they are a cancer.  They will die.  They are churches

AS: address the "numbers" issue
RW:

• Every number represents a person that Jesus died for.
• Jesus counted the sheep.

AS: How do you live How do you do Rythym.
RW:

divert daily – withdraw weekly – abandom yearly

• You can get a crowd fast . . . but 

Divert Daily:

• What energizes you?
• Sports? play with kids?
• relax with your hands . . 
• Learn how to "let it go" before you walk into the door

Withdraw Weekly

• If you are not taking a day off every week . . .you are breaking the 10 Commandments! So important that God
• Don't call it a "DAY OFF" . . .call it the "SABBATH".  You will cheat on your "day off" . . .if you cheat the sabbath . . .you sin!
• Your Sabbath is not the day where you do your "honey do List".
• RW: Family night is every Monday night (his Sabbath)

  Abandon Annually

• Go away . . .don't take your laptop or cell phone with you.
• Forget time management . . .do energy management.

AS: Talk about how people compare themselves with other "pastors".

RW:

• Neither I nor anybody else is the model.  Your model should be Jesus.
• Bill Hybels . . .andy stanley  . . . are not the models.

Don't Compare Yourself to anyone.

• you will always find someone better than you and you will be discouraged.
• you will always find someone better than you and you will be full of pride.
• either way . . .you are doomed!

Learn from Everyone

• The person that can't learn from others is stupid.
• You can learn from anybody . . .if you are humble.  The humble are teachable.
• READ – READ – READ (especially books before 1990 )
• I don't try to be profound . . .be simple! 
• LISTEN

The purposes never change . . .the language does . . .the packaging does . . . it's the great commandment and great commission.

AS: What's your final thought . . .give it to us.

RW:

I have learned to move peopel from unbeliever (bring in the front door) to missionary (send them out the back) . . .you must have some intentional plan. This is not a RW plan . . .it is Jesus'

To many people develop a "come and see church" . . .and never move people to the next step.

Jesus not only wants "faithful people" but people who produce "FRUIT"! (he cursed the fig tree.

• Most churches are the one or the other.
• Jesus wants BOTH . . .and have a process for BOTH!
• What is your discipleship process
• It's not about your "SITTING" capacity . . .but "SENDING" capacity.